Saturday, July 10, 2010

Call Me a Messianic Hebrew

Call me a Messianic Hebrew.

There is (as usual) the ongoing debate within the Messianic community as to where the gentiles (read nonJews) fit in. As a nonJew, as far as I know, I have been told to convert to Judaism, go to a gentile Messianic congregation and to even go back to the church where I belong. As someone who viewed coming out of the church nearly the equivalent of coming out of Babylon, to be told to go back really makes me question the heart of those who would recommend that.

So as the one being told where to go, I have had to turn back to the scriptures to see where God would have me be.

About thirteen years ago I was in the middle of a “spirit-filled” church, when God started telling me to “be a Godly man.” When I looked around my church and saw only “the world”, I realized that being Godly meant being somewhere else. At about the same time, my wife who is a family practice physician started to get asked to do eighth day circumcisions by some of the local Messianics. Over the next few years she became the mo’el for almost every Messianic congregation within two hundred miles. And it was because of this that we came in contact with almost every Messianic flavor there was.

For a little more than ten years I have been sliding back and forth on the scale between Jew and Christian. I used to say, “that on a scale of “one” being the most orthodox of Jews and “ten” being the most charismatic of Christians, the real answer lies about a “four. “” When it came to Messianic congregations, I used to rate them that way. Ie They are a “three” or they are a “three” on their way to becoming a “two”. For us a “two” would be a congregation that was so orthodox that it hardly ever mentioned Yeshua or read from the New Testatment. We saw many of those over the years.

When I was part of the Spirit-filled congregation, I used to feel the presence of God in our midst. I have experienced the same in Messianic congregations, but with much less regularity. In fact, it may be anecdotal, but the closer I got to a “one” on the scale, the less I felt the presence of God.

Now don’t get me wrong. I do not believe the Jews are farther from God than the Christians. What I saw instead was as Christians tried to become more Jewish, they would move farther from the Spirit of God. So maybe my scale doesn’t work. I think that instead of having the two points of Judaism and Christianity, there is a third point of Godliness that has both the Spirit and the works present. More of a triangle than a straight line, where if a Christian or a Jew wants to be more Godly, they will have to move towards it.

So how do we find that point? Where do we have to go to find the common point between Jews and Christians where they are both more Godly? I think that Paul was trying to teach it to us in Romans and Galatians. We must get back to Abraham! If you had the faith of Abraham, then you are a child of the one true God.

Abraham was called a Hebrew which means "one on the other side" or "one who has crossed over" because he had crossed over and set himself apart from the pagan world. From the beginning he was recognized by those around him as someone who followed God, not the world. Notice however that those who came after him were not called Abrahamites, but were also called Hebrews. Being a Hebrew was not about lineage, but about a state of mind.

Abraham was called a Hebrew. His sons and members of their camp were called Hebrews. And finally the Israelites were called Hebrews because they were all “on the other side”. As for the title Jew, that did not come about until after the Babylonian captivity. Prior to the expulsion to Babylon, the capital of pagan idolatry, the Israelites were referred to as Hebrews. Afterwards, they are only referred to as Jews. You might say they went into Babylon a Hebrew and came out a Jew.

Is that an unfair assertion that there was a change? I don’t think so when you see that all of the pagan and Hellenistic influences date back to the Babylonian captivity.

To tell me that I should go back to the church is impossible because I could never go back to what I now see as all the pagan influences. However, I cannot go willingly to the Jewish side because of the same reasons.

That is why I have decided that I will be a Hebrew or in this case a Messianic Hebrew.

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  1. What of The NEW Covenant, and The New Covenant "Jew"(Brethren of The Messiah)?
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    Jer 31:31-37 "Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE TIME THAT I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT FOR THEY BROKE THAT COVENANT, although I was an husband unto them, says YHWH: (Thankfully no longer natural "fathers" but YHWH, "Our Father" in "the NEWness of The Spirit not the letter")

    But this shall be the NEW covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts(not in stone, but in their heart consciousness); and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be MY people. ("Come Out of her, MY people"! Come out of this world and it's systems of religion)

    And every man shall no longer teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know YHWH", for they shall all know ME, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Thus says YHWH, which gives the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divides the sea when the waves thereof roar; YHWH of hosts is HIS name:

    If those ordinances depart from before ME, says YHWH, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before ME for ever.

    Thus says YHWH; If Heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says YHWH."
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    The NEW Covenant established The Truth that, "he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, whose circumcision is that of the flesh, he is a Jew who is one inwardly, whose circumcision is of the heart" as he was immersed in, of, by and through The Holy, Set Apart Spirit that is of The ONE and Only True G-D, Father(Creator) of ALL. And all gentile NEW Covenant Believers are "grafted into The Good olive tree", they are of The NEW Covenant Jews.......

    And The NEW Covenant Israel?

    "A Holy nation".......

    Heavenly and Spiritual, not earthly liken unto the wicked worldly nations!

    "A nation of kings and priests" indeed and Truth, and all New Covenant Believers are "strangers and pilgrims on the earth" whose "citizenship (Life) is in Heaven".......

    They are not of this wicked, evil world and it's systems of religion because they have taken heed unto The Call of The Only True G-D, Father (Creator) of ALL to "Come out of her, MY people".......

    The NEW Covenant Believers are those who follow The Messiah for they have taken heed unto The Call to "Come Out" of this wicked world, and they have have "set their affections on things above, Heavenly things"....... No longer are they of those "whose god is their bellies, and whose glory is in their shame, because they mind earthly things". They are no longer of those who "love this world and their own life in, and of it"....... (continued)

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  3. "That is why I have decided that I will be a Hebrew or in this case a Messianic Hebrew."

    "Hebrews" is simply an ethnicity of Jews/IsraeliteS. No Gentile has ever been called a "Hebrew" (spiritual or otherwise), nor is there any scriptural support ANYWHERE in the Bible for any Gentile to appropriate that term for themselves.

    "Prior to the expulsion to Babylon, the capital of pagan idolatry, the Israelites were referred to as Hebrews. Afterwards, they are only referred to as Jews. "

    Not so. Even Paul referred to himself as a "Hebrew" (and even "Hebrew of Hebrews" per Philippians 3:5). Or, in another place, comparing himself to his fellow Jews: "Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they Abraham's descendants? So am I."

    So, if you choose to call yourself Israelite, Hebrew or a Jew - "messianic" or not - the end result is the same - a stolen and a false identity. Both lying and stealing is forbidden in the Torah you claim to uphold. Something to think about.

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  4. It is funny Gene, but you were one of the people that I was thinking about when I wrote this.

    You own this term as well? I would argue that Paul saw the term Hebrew as not synonymous with that of Jew.

    So what term would you accept for a Gentile who has the faith of Abraham, who follows the one true God, who follows his Messiah, who follows his written commands?

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  5. "So what term would you accept for a Gentile who has the faith of Abraham, who follows the one true God, who follows his Messiah, who follows his written commands?"

    A Gentile.

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  6. Ok Gene, let me get this straight. You are the Hebrew and the Israelite and I am the Gentile? So I guess I understand what the nonJewish believers of Paul's day must have felt.

    Paul says:

    1Co 12:2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles ye were led away unto those dumb idols, howsoever ye might led. ASV


    Ephesians 2:11-22 (New International Version)

    One in Christ
    11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.
    14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

    19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

    Paul sees a difference between a Gentile and one who has turned to the One true God. Apparently you do not. You see me as someone who can never be equal to a believing Jew like youself. Someone to be tolerated but not in your congregation.

    I could respond with any of several pithy comments, but your own words say it all.

    Shalom,
    Jeff

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  7. Hebrew = "one from beyond"

    And who was the first one declared to be a Hebrew? Was it not Abraham?

    And who is father of Faith? Is he not Abraham?

    And "one from beyond" at this time is most definitely one who has been immersed in, of, by and trough The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit.......

    For "THY Kingdom" HAS "Come" and is no longer on the earth, and earthly, but is in Heaven, and Heavenly, no longer of the earth, but of The Spirit, no longer natural, but Spiritual and so it is that today The True Hebrew follows The Messiah on The Way to The Truth of The Life.......

    Onward and upward for their citizenship(Life) is in Heaven, so they are no longer of those who "love this wicked, evil world and their own life in it" and their desire is to be Home, Home at last.......

    Truly "aliens and pilgrims while on this earth".......

    "one from beyond" indeed and Truth!

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